Curse

Nimbus Cloud · Dec 02, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Hi Im new to Guru (even thoguh i joined in May, i had completely forgot I had an accoutn here), and i hope i posted this in the right place,forgive me if it isnt :S...ive used the search button but havent found another thread pertaining to this so here i go...

Ok so i was trying to figure out new UW duo builds ever since 55/SS'ing in UW became pretty hard to do. So i figured maybe a Derv(not goin into the specifics cause the Derv aint the issue

) and Monk with a modified bond build might be able to do it.Tryed it with a hero monk,heres hisbuild:

Protective Bond (15 Pro)
Life Bond (16 Divine)
Balthazars Spirit
Essence Bond
Blessed Signent
Spellbreaker [elite]
Resurection Chant
Rebirth

Ok so the monk casts protective bond,life bond on the Derv, and casts balthazar spirits and essence bond on him self. Now at that attribute lvl, protective bond has a -3E everytime the Derv get hit,with b.spirit and essence on the monk still loses 1-E per hit.So i thought "why not even things up?" I got the hero monk to also cast essence bond on me that should have made things like this: -3(pro bond)+2(enhts on Mo)+1(essence on D)= 0E lost. So that should have cancelled out the -3(unless my basic math skills have gone to the crapper) and only make 1-E regen on the monk. So i tryed this build on minotaurs(didnt have favor at the time) and it was working for about 10 secs, then i looked at the energy lvl of the monk and saw it was droppin fast, even though he was using blessed sig every spare moment. Its been a long while since i last bonded, but what gives? I was able to hold up atleast 9 enchnts(i think

),wit the energy loss cancelled out, the monk only holds 5 enchnts, so why is he losing so much energy everytime I(the Derv) gets hit,even though hes spamming blessed sig? Is there an issue with essence bond no one knows about?

Any explanation is much appreciated.

jonnybegood · Dec 02, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Prot bond is one of the worst skills ingame since the huge nerf it got. are you trying to stack essence bond?

Bankai · Dec 02, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Yup, you're trying to put 2 of the same maintained enchantments on the same person, which is impossible.

Trylo · Dec 02, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

hmm... if you use it like this:

Life Bond on Derv
Prot Bond on Derv
Essense Bond on Derv
Essense Bond on Monk
Balth Spirit on Monk

i dont see any problems... are you sure prot bond IS in fact at 3 energy a hit? the only thing i could think of is that you are using prot bond BEFORE life bond thus making life bond not triggering and your bonder losing that 2 energy...

Effigy · Dec 02, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

It's pretty much impossible to maintain your energy, let alone gain more of it, with Prot Bond in its current state. It was nerfed into oblivion back in the day, and there it is has stayed ever since.

beltran13579 · Dec 02, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

u can maintain it cast mantra of flame, essence bond, balths then have a ranger cast that spirit that turns all physical dmg to ele dmg

Bowstring Badass · Dec 02, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I would suggest a mo/w 55 and a r/me with famine and av and sv because they don't run from spirits yet.

Bowstring Badass · Dec 02, 2006, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Life bond does not trigger essence last time i checked.

Son of Urza · Dec 02, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

Yeah, I don't think Life Bond damage triggers Essence Bond. E-Bond actually checks for "physical or elemental" damage now.

Pity, it would've been a good solofarming+hero build.

Maxiemonster · Dec 02, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

The only way to run Protective Bond is by using Greater Confligation, Winter, Mantra of Frost and Essence Bond and/or Balthazar's Spirit, but this really doesn't compete when you can also use Protective Spirit and Shield of Absorption, so no point in trying if you'd ask me.

martialis · Dec 03, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

Life bond and life barrier return Untyped Damage. It's not physical or elemental, so it can't be changed with spirits and it doesn't trigger essence bond. There is a farming build that uses protective bond, balthazar's spirit, the 2 bonds, and symbiotic bond to maintain protective bond, but that won't work on a monk.
You could maybe mimic life barrier and use angelic bond...and then steal life bond or something...but that would require spamming a skill, so it kind of defeats the purpose.

No, it's impossible to farm with protective bond.

Nimbus Cloud · Dec 03, 2006, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnybegood

Prot bond is one of the worst skills ingame since the huge nerf it got. are you trying to stack essence bond?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bankai

Yup, you're trying to put 2 of the same maintained enchantments on the same person, which is impossible.

Nope, not trying to stack the enchnts alreday know thats not possible

Trylo thats exactly what i was thinking.
Everyone else, thanks for the info, i guess its better to know it was a.net who thwarted my plans for the build, and not the way i as thinking.

SiCoTiC · Dec 03, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by martialis

No, it's impossible to farm with protective bond.

It is infact possible to farm with prot bond and has been since it was nerfed all those moons ago, i used to use a Mo/W build for some time using bonettis to keep energy up when needed. Before anyone tries to give me a bashing, yes there are far better ways of 55ing and the SoA monk is prety damn cool but this was a long time ago and i still like the idea of the Prot Bond build for the simple fact i'm a lazy git. I ran it for an insane amount of time so i have a bit of an atachment to it :P, it kinda started with griffon farming, i didnt want to farm 2 or 3 groups each time i went out and the damage reduction from bond made it so i could group up the whole area and kill every griffon at once, it then moved into my 2 man UW farm (Tried a 2nd monk with arcane echoed SoJ but the synergy with Bonettis was... well... none existant so went with an SS) around that time and i could take all the Aatxe and the darkness at the same with less messing about after dealing with those pesky nightmares, it meant a quicker run, less spell spamming and all i had to watch after setting up a mob was my energy bar and hit one skill when i got down to 25% energy.

This was all after the PB nerf in 2005 tbh i didnt get much time to try it before it was changed so cant say i missed it much, but it does work and can be used... it just isnt.

If u want to just run a 55 tank then PB is a hell of a lot easier than most things based purely on the fact you only really need to hit bonettis every so often to top up your energy, there is no spamming of spells and no need to worry too much about about over agroing.

As i said a bit further up there are far better and more versatile builds to run and a PB tank is a bit outdated, but the damage reduction is unreal and it is still very possible to run and with many variations just give it a quick try

Protective Bond (3 energy lost)
Mending (+4 Regen)
Balt Spirit
Escence bond
Bonettis Defence

take whatever u want for the rest,
watchful spirit
SoJ
SB
etc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

The only way to run Protective Bond is by using Greater Confligation, Winter, Mantra of Frost and Essence Bond and/or Balthazar's Spirit, but this really doesn't compete when you can also use Protective Spirit and Shield of Absorption, so no point in trying if you'd ask me.

True it can be run like that and u will actualy come out gaining energy on each hit [bond = -3] + [Balt = +1] + [Escence = +1] + [mantra = +2] = +1

i know i said i was lazy but strangely enough i stopped using the build because it was boring me to death

Anyway the PB skill/build does work you just have to use it correctly same as everything else.

Have fun

LouAl · Dec 06, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I love Prot bond, but not for farming. I use it as a part of a dedicated bonder setup and have had decent success (with a full team).

It seems to me that others have described what your problem was Essence doesn't trigger from Life Bond. So you were really only getting -3 + 2 per hit.

From my uses of the skill it is easy to reduce the e-loss to -1 per hit, but begins being VERY difficult to reduce it much further than that (and at -1 per hit your monk will lose a ton of energy...probably what you were seeing).

So, in order to use PB you have to do something about the number of times it triggers. With a full health build you can do this with Life Bond, Life Barrier, or both, but it can still be hard to heal past the approximately 50 dmg per hit (especially when you are taking hits from 3 aatxes...approx 150 dmg every 1.33 seconds) while at the same time have enough energy to keep PB up - and when it ends you will be totally screwed with zero energy and tons of damage not being lessened by PB.

My advice is to NOT use a 55 build, but to use one that has some higher amount of health so that PB doesn't trigger on every hit and you can still easily out-heal the damage. The problem is that aatxes usually do 200+ damage per hit to my un-protected squishies...

it is a bit of a tough situation to figure out. I have tried to use PB for a solo farmer in a bunch of ways and it has never really done what I had hoped. It has always come back to a std 55 build being more reliable. Especially since the main advantage of using PB would be that you don't get interrupted, but there are other ways of getting around that.

I'll try and figure out a decent farming build with it (again), but it'll probably be another waste of time (again)...I always try though because it *should* be so cool...oh well